Why is Rap music hated so much? - Page 3

SkittleOnChrome · 04-27-2004, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Malice Racing

i was in a band. a black/deathmetal band. i was the lead vocalist and i played keyboards.

i also wrote 100% of all of our lyrics. i worked with five other talented guys and we all genuinly cared about the music. it was hard work but we wrote everything and played everything.

and it got us nowhere.

now some dude who can hardly dress himself is going to talk quickly about non-sense over a computer generated base and drum loop, set to the same video featuring half dressed crack whores, expensive german cars with ugly spinner wheels and the oh-so-original fish eye lense shot.

and he is a millionare.

to me rap is the symbol of decay in the music industry.

now although my musical fortay is melodic blackmetal, that draws influences from rock, classic rock, classical and even opera.

aside from that i enjoy contry and most forms of techno (prodigy, chemical brothers)

is that a good enough answer, or would you like me to elaborate a little more.

no, that's a good answer, but don't blame the artform...blame the consumer. Of course, things are (musically) the way they are because there's a market for it. If riding a 2K4 Benz w/26" Spinnin rims is what's hot, then it's what's hot...don't blame rap..blame that lifestyle for being popular. If that's what making money right now, the person would be an idiot to do the complete opposite, unless they're one of those chosen few who actually do music for the love of it, not concerned with trying to get paid.

But, like I said...if all of the people who hate Rap music would stop basing their opinions solely on music videos and/or the "culture" that's associated with it and actually listened to a heartfelt song on some real issues, then you'd change your tune. Of course, the commercial crap is what's gonna be in your face because people 15-24 are the main people that buy rap, so that's whats gonna get their attention.

SkittleOnChrome · 04-27-2004, 10:45 PM

...oh yeah, the Chemical Brothers and Prodigy are both the ****!

ExotikSL · 04-28-2004, 02:10 PM

Im a hip hop head to the core man! In fact im workin on an album with my crew as we speak. But Underground ish runs it, The ish you see on tv gives it a bad name!! Trust me if anyone of you actually listened to some real hip hop, You would change your views! I've gotten so many people into the music that say they cant stand Hip hop "rap" But they end up getting into it!! And im not talking about this LiL jon BS either no offense to anyone that likes that ****. But im sick of most of this crap thats on the airwaves that is classified as hip hop! Hip hop is a way of life its a culture!! Its alot more than just music, But what gets me is everyone can sit here and talk trash about the music when they have never really sat down and listened to some real soulful ****! And not all hip hop "rap" Is about killin, smokin, drinkin, Or ****in. Theres some real complex ish out there that cover real issues! Krs-one for instance, Atmosphere, Eydea, Benefit, Then some smooth ish like The Roots, A tribe called quest, I can go on for days on what artists are hot!! But I can gaurantee if any of you guys would hear anyone of those artists, and really listen you would be lovin it! I know that for a fact!!!!
Peace~

U2slow · 04-28-2004, 03:14 PM

I think that it's all simply about what you can relate to and what you can't. Personally I listen to Classic Rock because that's what makes me actually feel something inside. I also haven't heard too many songs that didn't have some meaning, hidden or straight forward. When it comes to rap.. granted these days I only know half of what they play on the radio and not much of anything that they don't...I feel nothing. I guess it's the cat in the hat BS that you're talking about. The problem I have with this is that alot of people argue that rap doesn't take talent. Well when you're talking about cat in the hat, they are absolutely right, it doesn't. The rhymes are where the talent comes in. To be able to "flow" at the drop of a hat, crazy words that do somewhat rhyme or go together is pure poetry. The same as being able to bust out some crazy new rift on a guitar at a moments notice. I think that EVERY type of music has it's talent as well as poorness. If you relate to rap you're probably going to search for and find this talent if you really appreciate the music, just like you would with country, rock, opera? But if this kind of music ain't your thing, most of what you hear is going to be the crap they play out on the radio and you may never experience it's finer points.

Criosdaidhlaoch · 04-28-2004, 04:20 PM

I like rap music myself. Have a pretty good bit of it. But if you mean "not liked" by the people who don't support the "manufacturing" of rap music, I'd say it goes like so:

The black community is accredited with about 99.9% of the rap music. Eminem is about the only known white rapper who has ever been taken serious as a rapper.

That said rap is associated with the black culture in America. And rap music is associated with:

"They live for bi+ches and blood we live for weed and money" etc.

or

"Nigga let me tell ya how we gonna get paid, we gone order pizza and when we see the driver we gonna stick the 25 up in his face"

The black culture ADMITEDLY is having problems like crime, drug use, hiv rates, rape, murder, etc. A problem with "disproportionately" commiting these crimes is the main problem.

So when some people see black people talking about racism, inequality, etc causing their social problems, and talk about racism, inequality being a direct or indirect cause for the disproportionate crime, it pisses them off to see a "brother who made it" to go and glorify all these things through music.

Many people see rap music as a perfect example of the self-destructive attitude and culture of black people in the United States, and therefore despise it.

When someone sees a black person get arrested for robbing a gas station and he's yelling "white man keeping me down" all the way to jail, and he's dressed like Tu Pac and listens to gang banger music like I mentioned above, it pisses them off that they're taking the blame for his actions, when he and the rapper who made the music are the ones glorifiying that kind of lifestyle or that kind of action.

SkittleOnChrome · 04-28-2004, 04:35 PM

^^the black community faces these problems, but just as stated before, the white community goes thru the same ****..nobody is exempt.

You have to take music for what it is, especially rap music. On one hand, someone on the outside lookin in (i.e someone who knows no idea what's it's like in the ghetto or bad neighborhoods) can easily say that it glorifies violence, while someone who deals with those issues everyday has something they can relate to...afterall, you can't rap (or do any form of music for that matter) about somethin you don't know anything about..you can only rap about what you know, and a lot of rappers weren't born with silver spoons in their mouths. If you were (or others), then that's fine, but take a step out of your yard and realize that **** ain't pretty out there.

I think America itself is scared of black culture, yet at the same time, it's one of the most COPIED forms out there, from the way we talk (slang words), to the clothes we wear, to the way we walk, etc...everyone degrades up and always stereotypes us, but millions of little kids and even adults want to be "be like us". I could care less...do you what you do. People don't realize that it's JUST A CULTURE...just like prev.stated above, "hip hop is a way of life"...tons of my friends wear jerseys, pants down to their knees, have braids and even gold teeth...and have NEVER seen a jail cell in their life.

To say that rap is responsible to the murder, robbery and whatever else plagues the black community is absurd. I could go on for days about what the problems really are, but would anyone care? I don't know if it's worth typing or not.

lysis · 04-28-2004, 05:23 PM

or i could just say "it's gay" haha :-p i really don't care for it at all man. it has nothing to do with the lyrics or anything like that. it's strictly taste in sound. ****, i like dillinger escape plan - come to daddy. listen to that song some time . . . it'll make your head move, but who the *#(&# wants to hear him say "i want your say i'll eat your soul come to daddy" over and over? just my point of view; it's not always the lyrics. it's the sound as a whole.

todaresqSL2 · 04-28-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SkittleOnChrome

^^the black community faces these problems, but just as stated before, the white community goes thru the same ****..nobody is exempt.

While all races have violence and crime, it disproportionatly involves black males. Sure there are white male criminals, black female criminals and asian transvetite criminals... it doesn't matter what race or sex... it is just that the majority of people commiting crimes of a violent/dealing nature are not white or female.

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Originally Posted by SkittleOnChrome

You have to take music for what it is, especially rap music. On one hand, someone on the outside lookin in (i.e someone who knows no idea what's it's like in the ghetto or bad neighborhoods) can easily say that it glorifies violence, while someone who deals with those issues everyday has something they can relate to...afterall, you can't rap (or do any form of music for that matter) about somethin you don't know anything about..you can only rap about what you know, and a lot of rappers weren't born with silver spoons in their mouths. If you were (or others), then that's fine, but take a step out of your yard and realize that **** ain't pretty out there.

True, they led a tough life. However, once they made their money... drive their Benz, have their jewels and enjoy their women... most that become popular then show off their stuff... making their listeners think that to be happy, they need it too... and how??? By doing what they are told... to pimp... to deal... you name it... and what happens if someone gets high up in anything by goingg to school and succeeding??? They are called an Uncle Tom... like Colin Powell... or Bill Cosby... making truly capable youth in the hood not want to succeed... they are kept down by their "friends...

Then there is country... they talk about country living... mobile homes... girlfriends leavin... dogs dying... also "real life" for alot of their listeners... but not most... and truly not for the singers... the culture of country music also includes welfare families with lots of kids and guns... differences... the guns are used to hunt animals... not for protection from other gun toting people... the sex, is with their sister not a ho... lol... just kidding... it is about lost loves... cheating ex's and so on... not how many women can he bang in a night and then go back to his 4 babies mommas...

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Originally Posted by SkittleOnChrome

I think America itself is scared of black culture, yet at the same time, it's one of the most COPIED forms out there, from the way we talk (slang words), to the clothes we wear, to the way we walk, etc...everyone degrades up and always stereotypes us, but millions of little kids and even adults want to be "be like us". I could care less...do you what you do. People don't realize that it's JUST A CULTURE...just like prev.stated above, "hip hop is a way of life"...tons of my friends wear jerseys, pants down to their knees, have braids and even gold teeth...and have NEVER seen a jail cell in their life.

I don't think it is that it is scared of the black culture... it is that professional work looks and such does not mix with casual urban attire... look at Kwame Jackson, if he walked into Donald Trumps office wearing baggy pants off his ass, oversized jersey, tilted cap and gold teeth... would he have even had a chance??? No... same as if Troy came in wearing tight ripped jeans, cowboy boots and a flannel buttoned up half way... he wouldn't have had a chance... It isn't black or white culture... it is urban culture and country culture... neither will help you succeed outside of that culture. I worked as a manager at clothing stores... I was always surprised by how people would come in for interviews... if they don't clean up for an interview... they have blown their 1st impretion (sp? too tired)...

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Originally Posted by SkittleOnChrome

To say that rap is responsible to the murder, robbery and whatever else plagues the black community is absurd. I could go on for days about what the problems really are, but would anyone care? I don't know if it's worth typing or not.

It isn't that rap is responsible... but it does promote it on certain levels... crime was there... rappers spoke about the life... people listened and followed... and then it continued to roll...

I like rap, hip-hop, R & B... name the genre and if the beats flow I am in... I also like techno, trance, dance, rave, happy hardcre, industrial, pop, rock, heavy metal... if it has a good ryhthm and/or beat... I usually don't even listen to the words... when I DJ... I am concious to the crowd and if it is middle school age I won't play music that has bad messeges or words... I will at the strip club though...

I could also go on for days... I agree... music is not the key issue when it comes to violence, crime and so on... but it is a BIG part of the lifestyle... spreads the trends and the "word"... from rap in the hood... to death metal in the suburbs *ie: Columbine*

SkittleOnChrome · 04-28-2004, 06:53 PM

^^^you have a point in certain areas, but...

#1--as far as "succeeding" in real life goes, no one looks down at you as a "Uncle Tom" or a "sellout" if you don't forget where you came from. There's tons of black professional people in the work force who think that because they got a degree and a high paying job, they forgot all about their friends, fam, and sometimes don't even recognize their neighborhood. They walk, talk, and act differently when they're among their co-workers. To be honest, I don't respect people like that myself...most of all friends are hoodbound, and they know I have a good paying job (and a bull**** 2nd job), and they respect me for it...a lot of them wish they could be like me, but have too many felonies or prior convictions to get hired anywhere that pays more than $6 per hr.

#2--if you really listen to it, they mention I've got this car, that car, this house and the other, but there are numerous songs that mention about the hardships that go along with it as well..getting arrested, friends getting killed, etc, etc. It just all depends on the listener...some only go for what's on the surface, while others can dig deeper and see what it's about. There's a song by T.I called "Still haven't forgave myself"...really good song; check it out.

#3--I agree that no one should go into an interview just as they came off of the street; that's just pitiful...however, too many stereotypes and generalizing come w/urban culture. You even see it on message boards...if someone posts a pic of a car w/chrome rims, let the insults begin!! Everything from "ghetto" to "wannabe black person" to even "niggerish" I've seen on message boards.

Flick Montana · 04-28-2004, 10:00 PM

I just don't like profanity. On my CD's you won't find much bad language, just a peeve of mine. I also don't like Hard Rock, Punk Rock (except Greenday. They are punk, right?), Country...

I don't like the stupid $200,000 a year income white kids that live around here and think they can RELATE to rap music because they stole a shirt from the Gap

The message is totally lost on them.

And if I think of any music as portraying black culture, it is jazz/blues. The good origional stuff. THAT'S music.

I think rap is it's own thing, I personally don't care for it, but it doesn't bother me as much as the majority (again I mean around here) of people who listen to it. They are obnoxious trouble makers.