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Criosdaidhlaoch · 05-03-2004, 11:48 PM

Why is the murder rate for black people so high?

If its due to racism then why is most of it black on black?

If its due to racism why isn't the latino or asian or native american crime rate as high?

Black crime: same two questions above.

Welfare: Why are blacks so disproportinately on welfare? If its racism, then why aren't asians or middle eastern people in the same boat?

If ignorance or a lack of understanding creates racism in the U.S., then why are the "most racist" regions, states, etc in the U.S. also the most integrated? (has the most mixed population)

If racism is the cause for so much of the problems in the black community and its success, then why don't all (as in everyone that lives there is black) black neighborhoods do better and have better living standards than say some lone black guy living in a white neighborhood?

If racism from the other races is the cause of the problems for black people in the U.S. then why do african immigrants who are black succeed so much more often than blacks born in the U.S.?

SkittleOnChrome · 05-04-2004, 03:42 PM

^^I'll try to answer the questions to the best of my ability..by that, I've either witnessed it, experienced it, or know people who are/have went thru it:

#1--"why is the murder rate for blacks so high?"
#2--"if it's racism, then why is most of it black on black"
#3--"if it's racism, then why don't Latino/asian/N.A have high counts as well?

All those can be rolled into the same answer.

The murder rate for black people can be put into tons of categories, most of them dealing with where you live and how you were raised. Given, you're not supposed to be influenced by your surroundings and are supposed to rise to the occasion, but everyone isn't capable of doing that. A lot of times, there's a "get it how you live" motto...a lot of black kids that come from impoverished areas are part of a single parent household, or the parents altogether just don't give a damn. The murder can be attributed in this case for the main reason that it's easier to rob, steal and kill than it is to work for something. Some have this mentality, or some feel as though they're pushed to do it. A lot of kids growin up don't have anything, and the parents are working their hardest to provide whatever and can't, so the kid(s) feel like they have to do what they have to do to get it ("it" being clothes, money, etc).

Another reason for the high murder rate could be summed up in one word: jealousy. Plain and simple, a lot of the time, that's what it boils down to. With black people, a lot of times it's a "stunting" contest..to see who has the biggest and best of whatever..whether it's a car, house, money in their pocket, their reputation on the street, etc. Sometimes jealousy rears it's ugly head, and the worst happens. The sad part is, we hate to see each other do better than the next. Most nationalities and races (Asian, Latino, etc.) stick together and work as a people to get to where they need to be, but we're constantly in competition with someone else. Our ego is our own worst enemy.

#4--Black crime: same as mentioned above. It's easier to take than it is to get your own. Why go out and make money to purchase your own things, when it's easier to rob someone?

If you mean in the drug aspect as well, that's a whole diff.story. Like I mentioned before, a lot of people I know want to change their lifestyle..they don't want to sell drugs anymore and want to live straight, but society refuses to help them do so. STATISTICS SHOW that 80% black males who are arrested, end up back in jail within 3 years. Society has damn near made it impossible for someone to want to go straight. Either they won't get hired at all (depending on the felonies/charges), or they come out of prison just as ignorant and violent (if not more) as they were when they went in. The only thing prison does is make the inmates bitter and violent; hardly anything is done to "rehabilitate" them and make them a asset to society; there's hardly any resume or work programs to help them learn a trade/skill, or to even get a G.E.D. If they come out of jail and don't know any more than they did when they went in, has a family to take care of and is unable to get a job because of his "past", what do you expect him to do? Starve? Like I mentioned before, ANYONE will do whatever it takes to feed their family, like it or not. Given, it's nobody fault but their own and if they never did what they did, they wouldn't be in this situation, but that's not an answer to the problem either. Hence, the murder/robbery count and the "I don't give a ****" attitude that you mentioned yesterday.

#5--Welfare: Even though I don't have the reports, i'm gonna guesstimate and say that 4 out of 10 black people (or even higher) on welfare, don't even need it. They make enough money to live somewhat ok, but also make a lower amount of money to qualify for government assistance. Is that wrong? It depends on how you look at the situation. To the average person who is gung-ho about taxes and ****, they'll say it's wrong from sun-up to sundown. Me...i'm actually on the fence about it. I remember growin up, it was me, my mom and sister. My mom had a pretty good job making about $35K a year (at the time), but with a house, bills, and a growing son and daughter who liked nice stuff, the money doesn't go as far as the government thinks it does. We were denied for any free lunch or any government/school funded program, while my Chinese friend (who is one of my best friends) had 2 working parents: one is an accountant and his mom owns a restaurant, got free lunch in H.S..and kept a pair of Jordans on his feet. ****ed up? I think so.

RolWithEmotion · 05-04-2004, 04:03 PM

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EDIT: i was in a crappy mood, i also listen to Ludacris, G-unit, St Lunatics, Twiztid, Dark Lotus, KMK.... yeah, as long as it's not eminem...

i can't stand that psychopathic ****. they're so gay . . . "hey let's paint our faces up like clowns, pretend we're black, and spray people with faygo. no wait, i have a better idea. let's call ourselves juggalos, rave about some carnival, and get all the loonies to come out and play"

*sigh*

end rant.

don't rip on the psychopathic family !

yeah, i've become a juggalo, must be all of them where i work.

SkittleOnChrome · 05-04-2004, 04:05 PM

(continued from the top..not sure how much I could include in one post)

#6--"intergrated areas are the highest"...well, this one is a double-edged sword. A lot of people who haven't experienced anything and come from smaller cities or states, will say what they say because that's what they've been told and they don't know any better..or they picked up a book and the statistics have them scared ****less. The other time, people who live in the major and bigger cities see the stuff on a daily basis..not to mention that so many diff.types of people collide on a daily basis. Just because you're in a Metropolitan area, doesn't mean that you're worldly and understand what's goin on out there. A lot of people try to shield themselves from whatever is diff.than them, and aren't open to learning about new cultures or something that is diff. that what they're used to. I'm from Indianapolis...we have almost 2 million people in the city, but lack of understanding/ignorance/racism still plays a huge part in everyday life here. I don't think anyone *****es or complains about it, but it's almost like people don't want to own up to it or recognize that it's still around. A lot of people think we complain about stupid ****, or look for stuff where it doesn't exist, and that couldn't be farther from the truth. Sometimes it is, but a majority of the time, it isn't.

#7--(see the first answer..pretty much applies to this question) Some predominently black areas, like where I live, are great...I've had my car broken into once (not the Skittle), but that could happen anywhere. However, some are plagued with drug activity that plays right back into the whole murder thing.

#8--"African immigrants do better than U.S blacks". Well, I'd like to think that anyone who comes from a diff.country to move to the U.S has a completely diff.standard of living than we do, whether it's related to their work ethic or ways of dealing with certain issues. African immigrants have a very strong work ethic and start working and going to school at a very early age, and are so very family oriented, so with all those factors included, their success in the U.S is guaranteed. For the U.S blacks, it varies on what type of person you're dealing with (same as anybody really)...you can go to the finest schools w/the best of everything, but if you're not there to learn, then you're not there to learn...plain and simple. It all boils down to how you were raised. If you do good in school early as a child, then you have a image to maintain and you're not able to accept failure in school. I've seen black kids that went to private schools come out worse off than that black kids that went to public schools (and $20K less), and I've also seen black kids that went to public schools who excelled in everything...even one girl I know graduated with 79 credits (you only need 40 to graduate) and took every elective under the sun (capt.of the cheerleading squad, debate team, class president, etc...you name it, she did it.)

Criosdaidhlaoch · 05-04-2004, 09:03 PM

And I think we just agreed on every single one of those things.

Its not the black race thats in trouble in America, its the black CULTURE thats in trouble.

And my point all along is racism still stems so often (coming from the white boy perspective of the stituation here) because white people get tired of being told they are to blame for these black problems. But people try to stereotype white people with my outlook as "racist", try to act like I don't think its white mans fault cause my dad was always saying "thats nigger bull****" at the dinner table all the time.

SkittleOnChrome · 05-04-2004, 09:23 PM

^^and due to all the things that were prev.mentioned, I would hate for your father to meet me and think I was one of those people who fit that category, knowwhatImean? That's what I meant about statistics...it's good to know them, but it's bad to live by them.

I personally don't blame anyone but myself for my shortcomings/failures (not that I have any!)...I'm a grown man.

DCxMagus · 05-04-2004, 10:29 PM

guys you are arguing a topic that has been argured for more then like 5 decades LoL

not all stats are followed, I'm living proof of that myself.

Stats can be changed and found to support any ideal, or view on a subject.

stats are not conclusive evidence for anything I dont care where you got them, who took them, when they were taken. They can and almost always are controlled to be in support of your fight.

in the end of it all stats are not proof of jack ****, knowning them just makes you want to follow them (or in my case break them) which means your not acting on your own but becuase someone said that you can or can't do something.

I could walk up to 100 people of the same race and tell them "you know 90 of you are going to die by the age of 30 so doesn't matter what you accomplish your going to die enough said" show them graphs, yadda yadda proof it to them and I have single handed changed about 50% of those peoples lifes.

most the people in america would rather follow something and be told what to do then choice right from wrong on there own.

The fact that most of these "black" stats are of a negaitive nature does not help anyone in a whole, but it put the extra burden on "black" people and "black" nieghborhoods which is bull**** anyway,
a nieghborhood is a ****ing nieghborhood it doesn't have a damn skin color.