97sc2leather

ok apparently the person i got the car from had the wires mixed up on the coils i swiched 1 & 4 and the cyl 4 misfire went away drove good idle good ect. then the engine light came on again put the computer on again now i have a camshaft position sensor error code P0314 i believe it was

i need to know the firing order the cyl order and the coil order anyone please

Ssicarman

From the coils to the cylinders the wire order is 4-1-2-3. So the coil tower wire at the left is going to cylinder #4.

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97sc2leather

ok nd wats he order onthe engine

4231? from left to right standing front of the car

97sc2leather

ok i had cyl 4 mis i switched the 1 and 4 wire at the coil now i have a cyl 1 mis

97sc2leather

hello i bought a 97 sc2 the car started running like crap 2 days later i brought it to autozone the compter gave me the cam shaft position sensor code and a cylinder 1 misfire code and a ects code i bought the ects changed it the codes gone i bought 4 sets of plugs each one sucked i had + 4's reg bosch denso iridiums and now ac delco i bought msd wires those seem good i bought msd coils i put it all in the car all errors were gone for about 5 minutes then i got a cyl 4 misfire p0304 i changed the gas filter i tested the compression i brought it to a lot of shops i tested all the ohms on wires coils ect. they were all good the computer came up with nothing the car would miss then not miss depending on how the car felt that minute i just read this post i went outside and took the 1/4 msd coil of the car and put the stock one i replaced back on the car my cyl 4 misfire is now gone but i now have a cyl 1 misfire would i be wron to assume that the resistance difference in the msd coils were causing my cyl 4(cam shaft position sensor) error and that my stock coil is bad on the number 1 cyl? and that if i put a stock 1/4 coil back on there it will go away?

97sc2leather

bought new coil changed it same thing cyl 1 misfire with the msd coil it said cyl 4 misfire but while it was missing i pulled the cyl 1 wire off no difference it was cyl 1 the whole time i give up

Ssicarman

The cylinder numbers are (from the front of the engine, passenger side, to the rear, transmission end)
1-2-3-4.

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Ssicarman

Can you do everyone a favour at this time. Please go over every thing again that you have done with the car in trying to solve the problem.

Only this time do it using proper capitalization, punctuation and giving the actual code numbers that you have retrieved from the car. I find it a right ROYAL pain in the backside to try and read your posts the way you are writing them. I think that every one here is willing to help but you need to help us by making things easy to read.


Thanks

Tom
Ssicarman

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97sc2leather

ok i will try to explain everything:

i had a cyl 1 misfire p0301 and a camshaft position sensor error p0310 i believe i changed the plugs wires coils gas filter ects i then had a cyl 4 misfire p0304 but it was on and off not all the time the car drove great for 3 hours then like crap i put it on the compuyter at the shop for 3 hours it said cyl 4 misfire he ran tests on everything nothing came up with a problem everything checked perfect went to another shop checked the ohms on the wires coils perfect changed the plugs 4 times after went away for 5 minutes 1 hour 3 hours came back each time switched the cyl 1 and 4 wire at the coil thinking maybe the wires got switched ran great for 1 hour then got a cam shaft position sensor then the next morning got a cyl 1 misfire camshaft error was gone switched the wires back stayed on cyl 1 misfire took my msd coil off put back on old coil cyl m1 misfire took that coil off bought new stock coil put it on cyl 1 misfire took it back off put back on old stock coil cyl 1 misfire all my plugs are black the same black pretty much now here is were it gets tricky when it said cyl 4 misfire i pulled the cyl 4 wire off while it was missing it ran even worse very confused and mad i put it back on and pulled the number 1 cyl wire off while it was missing no difference apparently it has been cyl 1 the whole time but it was reading it as cyl 4 after i pulled the wire off it is now reading it as cyl 1 consistantly i pulled the wire clip off the injectors one by one while it was running cyl 1 gave me a noticable difference cyl 2,3,4 gave me a difference but not as much as cyl 1 all in all injectors seemed good the car is running rich but i do not smell gas i do smell some oil burning but it does smell normal for a saturn with 152k on it so i do not believe it is the regulator i also did a compression test each cyl has about 195psi so that checked out ok so i don't think it is the head i have spent a lot of money trying to figure this out and nothing is working i am about to go buy the module for $130 at pepboys and try that if anyone can help me with this at all i will name my next child after you thios has been going on for weeks and appears to be getting more often now everytime i start the car it idles great until i give it gas and let it rev back down as soon as it revs back down it starts missing before it just did it whenever it felt like it please any help will be greatly appreciated i now bought the module and put it on and there is no difference however i noticed the bottom of the msd coils were the module prongs go in appears to have cracked several times so i am going to get another set of coils to see if maybe the msd coils were arcing against the module(ground) so i will post if that has fixed it but i am also thinking that if the coils arced against the module that could have fried the module

PurdueGuy

complete sentences help. not trying to be a jerk, but that's a HUGE paragraph of info, and when not broken into sentences, it's really hard to read.