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Old 05-14-2003, 01:59 AM   #11
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Are you going to Carlisle PIke? I want to talk to more about this.

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Old 05-14-2003, 02:02 AM   #12
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Yeah, I'll be up there. I just found out I'm number 19

I'll be getting down there on Friday night probably by around 7-9pm, and will be sticking around through Sunday after the Import War show. Look for car 19, or if you're going to be there on Friday, PM me for my cell #.
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Old 05-25-2003, 03:24 AM   #15
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ok you stupid ass, first of all you can boost a turbo at 12 or 13 psi no problem you won't get in trouble until 15 or 16 psi now then you don't believe me, I ****ing own 2 Turbo vehicles a civic boosting 10 and a saturn boosting 8 but thats on the safe sid I have had it on my civic at 13 and no problems and nos cant touch it!!!! nos is fake hp!!!!!PUSSY IN A CAN!!!!
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Old 06-02-2003, 07:15 AM   #16
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Hey Matt my stupid computer won't open the PDF so i'm sorry if any of the stuff i list is a repeat.

This is a FAQ list comprised by Dado from DTMPower.Net. He is the founder of DTMPower and has had many camio's in Teckademik's Video's (GumBall, Mischeif ect.) This is where i learned most of my NOS information from. Note: Most info. is based on BMW's...but NOS is pretty much universal, so you can get the gist of the basics from this FAQ.


How Does Nitrous Oxide Work?



There are three points. First, nitrous oxide is comprised of 2
parts nitrogen and one part oxygen (36% oxygen by weight). When
the nitrous oxide is heated to approximately 572oF (on compression
stroke), it breaks down and release extra oxygen, However, it
is not this oxygen alone which creates additional power, but the
ability of this oxygen to burn more fuel. By burning more fuel,
higher cylinder pressures are created and this is where most of
the additional power is realized. Secondly, as pressurized nitrous
oxide is injected into the intake manifold, it changes from a
liquid to a gas (boils). This boiling affect reduces the temperature
of the nitrous to a minus .127 Degrees F. This "cooling affect"
in turn significantly reduces intake charge temperatures by approximately
60-75 Degrees F. This also helps create additional power. A general
rule of thumb: For every 10 Degrees F. reduction in intake charge
temperature, a 1% increase in power will be realized. Example:
A 350 HP engine with an intake temperature drop of 70 Degrees
F, would gain approximately 25 HP on the cooling affect alone.
The third point, the nitrogen that was also released during the
compression stroke performs an important role. Nitrogen acts to
"buff or dampen" the increased cylinder pressures leading
to a controlled combustion process.




Why Nitrous?



Nitrous oxide injection has become a very popular option for today's
performance enthusiast for several reasons:




Nitrous offers you more performance per dollar spent, than
any other performance modification.

Nitrous installations are relatively easy to accomplish.

Since Nitrous is used only when needed, it offers you the
advantages of complete driveability and normal gas mileage
while not "on the button."

Systems available for virtually any power need from 25 HP
to over 500 extra HP.

One of the few performance options available for today's computer
controlled, fuel injected engines.

Systems can easily be removed or transferred to another vehicle.









Q: Will Nitrous affect engine reliability?



A: The key is choosing the correct H.P. for a given application.
A kit that uses the correct factory calibration does not usually
cause increased wear. As the energy released in the cylinder increases
so do the loads on the variuos components that must handle them.
If the load increases exceed the ability of the component to handle
them, added wear takes place. NOS kits are designed for use on
demand and only at wide open throttle. Nitrous can be extremeny
advantageous i that it is only used when you want it, not all
the time. All NOS kits are designed for maximum power with reliability
for a given application.




Q: Can I simply bolt a nitrous kit onto my stock engine?



A: Yes, NOS manufactures systems for virtually any stock
engine application. The key is to choose the correct kit for a
given application; i.e., 4 cyl. engines normally allow an extra
40-60 HP, 6 cyl. engines usually work great between 75-100 extra
HP, small block V8's (302/350/400cid) can typically accept up
to 140 extra HP, and big block V8's (427/454) might accept from
125-200 extra HP. These suggested ranges provide maximum reliability
from most stock engines using cast pistons and cast crank with
few or no engine modifications.




Q: What are some of the general rules for even higher H.P.
gains?



A: Generally, forged aluminum pistons are one of the best
modifications you can make. Retard ignition timing by 4-8 degrees
(1 to 1½ degrees timing retard per 50 H.P. gain). In many
cases a higher flowing fuel pump may be necessary. Higher octane
(100+) racing type fuel may be required as well as spark plugs
1 to 2 heat ranges colder than normal with gaps closed to .025"-.030".
For gains over 250 H.P., other important modifications could
be necessary in addition to those mentioned above. These special
modifications may include a forged crankshaft, a high quality
race type connecting rod, a high output fuel pump dedicated to
feeding the additional fuel demands of the nitrous system, and
a racing fuel with high specific gravity and an octane rating
of 110 or more.




Q: How much performance improvement can I expect with a nitrous
system?



A: For many applications an improvement from 1 to 3 full
seconds and 10 to 15 MPH in the quarter mile can be expected.
Factors such as engine size, tires, jetting, gearing, etc. will
effect the final results.




Q: How long will the bottle last?



A: This largely depends on the type of nitrous kit and
jetting used. For example, a 125 HP Power Shot kit with a standard
10 lb. capacity bottle will usually offer up to 7 to 10 full
quarter-mile passes. For power levels of 250 HP, 3 to 5 full quarter-mile
passes may be expected. If nitrous is only used in 2nd and 3rd
gears, the number of runs will be more.




Q: How long can I hold the nitrous button down?



A: It is possible to hold the button down until the bottle
is empty. However 15 continuous seconds at a time, or less, is
recommend.




Q: When is the best time to use nitrous?



A: At wide open throttle only (unless a progressive controller
is used). Due to the tremendous amount of increased torque, you
will generally find best results, traction permitting, at early
activation. Nitrous can be safely applied above 2,500 RPM under
full throttle conditions.




Q: Will I have to rejet my carburetor on my car when adding
nitrous?



A: No! The NOS system is independent of your carburetor
and injects its own mixture of fuel and nitrous.




Q: Is nitrous oxide flammable?



A: No. Nitrous oxide by itself is non-flammable. However,
the oxygen present in nitrous oxide causes combustion of fuel
to take place more rapidly.




Q: Will nitrous oxide cause detonation?



A: Not directly. Detonation is the result of too little
fuel present during combustion (lean) or too low of an octane
of fuel. Too much ignition advance also causes detonation. In
general, most of our kits engineered for stock type engines will
work well with premium type fuels and minimal decreases of ignition
timing. In racing applications where higher compression ratios
are used, resulting in higher cylinder pressures, a higher fuel
octane must be used as well as more ignition retard.




Q: Where can I get my bottle refilled?



A: There are many performance shops that can refill your
nitrous bottle generally for around $20. All NOS certified distributors
can refill your bottle.




Q: Is there any performance increase in using medical grade
nitrous oxide?



A: None! NOS recommends and sells only the automotive grade,
called Ny-trous Plus. Ny-trous Plus contains a minimal amount
of sulfur dioxide (100 ppm) as a deterrent to substance abuse.
The additive does not affect performance.




Q: Is it a good idea to use an aftermarket computer chip in
conjunction with an NOS System?



A: Only if the chip had been designed specifically for
use with nitrous oxide. Most aftermarket chips use more aggressive
timing advance curves to create more power. This can lead to potential
detonation. You may wish to check with the manufacturer of the
chip before using it. The top manufacturers, such as Hypertech
do make special chips for use with nitrous.




Q: How long does it generally take to install an NOS kit?



A: The majority of NOS kits can be installed using common
hand tools in approximately 3 to 5 hours. NOS instruction manuals
are by far the best in the industry; and include specific installation
drawings, wiring diagrams, and bottle mounting procedures as well
as performance tips and a thorough trouble shooting guide.




Q: Which type of manifold is better suited for a plate injector
type of nitrous system, single or dual plane manifold?



A: As long as he manifold doesn't interfere with the spray
pattern of the bars, either will work fine in most cases. The
distribution is better with a single plane at high RPM. If your
goal is to increase power by more than 200 HP, the single plane
manifold is better.




Q: Does nitrous oxide raise cylinder pressures and temperatures?



A: Yes. Due to the ability to burn more fuel, this is exactly
why nitrous makes so much power.




Q: Are there any benefits to chilling the nitrous bottle?



A: No. Chilling the bottle lowers the pressure dramatically
and will also lower the flow rate of the nitrous causing a fuel
rich condition and reducing power. On cold evenings you might
run on the rich side. For optimal running conditions, keep bottle
pressure at approximately 800-900 psi. NOS has a nitrous pressure
gauge that allows you to monitor this. If you live or operate
a nitrous system in colder climates, it may also be a good idea
to purchase a bottle heater kit, part #14161. Generally, ambient
temperatures of 70-90 degrees F. will allow for best power potential
of NOS kits.




Q: Are there benefits to using nitrous with turbo or supercharger
applications?



A: Absolutely! In turbo applications, turbo lag is completely
eliminated with the addition of a nitrous system. In addition,
both turbo and superchargers compress the incoming air, thus heating
it. With the injection of nitrous, a tremendous intercooling effect
reduces intake charge temperatures by 75 degrees or more. Boost
is usually increased as well; adding to even more power.




Q: What effect does nitrous have on an engine with considerable
miles on it?



A: This depends largely on the actual condition of the
engine components. Any performance modification to an engine that
is worn out or poorly tuned will have detrimental effects. However,
an engine in good condition, with good ring and head gasket sealing,
should be able to use nitrous without any abnormal wear.




Q: Will the use of nitrous oxide affect the catalytic converter?



A: No. The increase in oxygen present in the exhaust may
actually increase the efficiency of the converter. Since the use
of nitrous is normally limited to 10-20 seconds of continuous
use, there usually are no appreciable effects. Temperatures are
typically well within acceptable standards.




Q: Will the percentage of performance increase be the same
in a highly modified engine compared to a stock engine when using
the same NOS kit and jetting?



A: Not really. In most cases the percentage of increase
is greater from a stock engine because it is not as efficient
as the modified engine in a normal non-nitrous mode. However,
since the effects of nitrous oxide magnify the output of any engine,
the total power output will be much higher in the modified engine.





Q: Can high compression engines utilize nitrous oxide?



A: Absolutely. High or low compression ratios can work
quite suitably with nitrous oxide provided the proper balance
of nitrous and fuel enrichment is maintained. NOS kits are used
in applications from relatively low compression stock type motors
to Pro-Modifieds, which often exceed 15 to 1. Generally, the higher
the compression ratio, the more ignition retard, as well as higher
octane fuel, is required. For more specific information talk to
one of our technicians.




Q: Can service station fuel be used for street/strip nitrous
oxide applications?



A: Yes. Use of a premium type leaded or unleaded fuel of
92, or greater, octance is recommended for most applications.
Many NOS systems are designed for use with service station pump
gas. However, when higher compression or higher horsepower levels
are used, a racing fuel of 100 octane, or more, must be used.





Q: What type of cam is best suited for use with nitrous oxide?



A: Generally, cams that have more exhaust overlap and duration.
However, it is best to choose a cam tailored to normal use (when
nitrous is not activated) since 99% of most vehicle operation
is not at full throttle. There are special cam grinds available
for nitrous competition which have more aggressive exhaust profiles
etc. Since cam selection depends largely on vehicle weight, gearing,
etc., it is best to stick to cam manufacturer's recommendations
for your particular goal.




Q: What type of nitrous system is better; a plate injection
system or a direct port injection system?



A: The advantages of a plate system are ease of installation
and removal, ability to transfer easily to another vehicle, ability
to change jetting combinations quickly, and, in most cases, provide
you with all the extra HP you will ever need (75 to 350 more HP).
In some cases, such as in-line type engines with long runners,
a direct port type system is advisable for maximizing distribution.
Also, where more than 350 HP is needed, our direct port Fogger
systems will provide the ultimate in distribution and power (up
to 500+ HP). Direct port injection is also desirable when the
system is hidden under the manifold.




Q: Should I modify my fuel system to use nitrous oxide?



A: Most stock fuel pumps will work adequately for smaller
nitrous applications. It is important to check to see if your
pump can flow enough fuel to your existing fuel system (whether
carburetor or fuel injected), as well as being able to supply
the additional fuel required by the nitrous kit under full throttle
conditions. It may be a good idea to dedicate a separate fuel
pump to the nitrous kit.




Q: Which is the best position to mount a nitrous bottle?



A: NOS bottles come with siphon tubes and, in order to
maintain proper nitrous pickup, it is important to mount the bottle
correctly. It is recommend mounting the bottle at a 15 degree
angle with the valve end higher than the bottom of the bottle.
The valve end of the bottle should point to the front of the vehicle
and the valve knob and label should face straight up.




Q: How important is it to use nitrous and fuel filters in a
kit?



A: Some of the most important components of any nitrous
system are nitrous and fuel filters that keep contaminants from
attacking the solenoid or plugging up a jet. A stuck solenoid
means trouble!




Q: What are the advantages of using nitrous compared to other
performance options?



A: The cost of many other performance options can put you
in the poorhouse. Dollar for dollar, you can't buy more performance
with less money than nitrous. With a nitrous system, performance
and reliability can be had for a much more reasonable price while
retaining the advantages of a stock engine during normal driving.
And, nitrous offers tremendous gains in torque without having
to rev the engine to excessive rpm's. These factors help your
engine last longer than many other methods of boosting horsepower.





Q: How do I know how much nitrous is left in the bottle?



A: The most reliable way is to weigh the bottle to determine
how many pounds remain. When a bottle is near empty (about 20%
or less nitrous remaining) a surging effect is normally felt.





Q: What is the function of the blow-off safety valve on the
bottle?



A: It is very importent not to overfill a bottle; i.e.,
a 10 lb. capacity bottle should not be filled with more than 10
lb. of nitrous oxide by weight. Over-filling and/or too much heat
can cause excessive bottle pressures forcing the safety seal to
blow and releasing all the contents out of the bottle.




Q:Will I have to change my ignition system?



A: Most late model ignition systems are well suited for
nitrous applications. In some higher HP cases, it may be advisable
to look into a high quality high output ignition system.
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Old 06-02-2003, 03:25 PM   #17
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ok you stupid ass, first of all you can boost a turbo at 12 or 13 psi no problem you won't get in trouble until 15 or 16 psi now then you don't believe me, I ****ing own 2 Turbo vehicles a civic boosting 10 and a saturn boosting 8 but thats on the safe sid I have had it on my civic at 13 and no problems and nos cant touch it!!!! nos is fake hp!!!!!PUSSY IN A CAN!!!!
Okay there buddy, you just throw 15psi onto a Saturn. Make sure to scrape the aluminum puddle off the road and mail to to me. Hell, for that matter, try running 10psi and see if you can make it more than 100 miles. 5-7 psi seems to be the safe max on an unmodified Saturn, and if you're running 7 you better have some work done to your fuel system.

That is also rather beside the point, I'd be more than happy to take your 8psi Satty any day of the week with my 75hp shot of nitrous, and I might even slow down enough to let you do a ricer flyby.

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Old 07-12-2003, 04:22 PM   #18
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Nitrous is safe as long as you use it correctly.

We used it on road courses, coming on every time our car was at WOT. We sucked through well over $700 worth of it, about 160lbs, in a week. Totally stock engine, 50hp shot, no window switch, no fuel pressure safety switch ... engine is still in one piece.

Install the system correctly and use your brain before hitting the button. Your engine will thank you for it.

I'm not saying that nitrous is a replacement for N/A, turbos, or superchargers ... just saying that nitrous can be an easy alternative if need be.
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this is my first post. I am soon to be tkt23 and am going to have it set up with about 50hp of nos. My question is, what company has the best setup for a 92sc . I would like a setup that is simple to do. any help will definitely work. made a mistake, that's a 96sc
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I'd have to recommend Nitrous Express. I have a NOS system, but I've had quite a number of problems with the solenoids and the NX ones just seem to be built stronger. I'll probably be switching to NX and going direct port, unless I decide to go with a turbo setup.
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